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Are modern consoles worth buying?

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I've delayed picking up an X-Box One or PS4 for a combination of reasons. Money, lack of a good sale, lack of interest in most games, lack of interest in gaming in general, and the recent (or impending?) hardware upgrades. Meanwhile, I did purchase a WiiU around Christmas last(?) year. The WiiU certainly lacked titles, but there also wasn't really a game I ended up enjoying. I spent a fair amount of time in Splatoon and thoroughly enjoyed Mario Kart 8, but I failed to get into Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze (playing about half the game) and Fatal Frame V (which I should be kicking myself for not going through). Even picking up Pokken Tournament and Mario Maker on sale this past Christmas, I still haven't opened either.

My interest in gaming has certainly been waning for years, but I'm curious if this generation of gaming has felt sub-par to anyone else? I've picked up Dragon Quest Heroes and Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth on PS4 (without owning a PS4), but the only other titles that I would want to play are Arkham Knight, Mankind Divided, and... well, I'm pretty sure there were some others, but they're not noteworthy enough for me to think of them off-hand.

And then there's the Switch coming up, complete with the Zelda game that was promised for the WiiU but ultimately eluded it. And no, I'm not going to spend money on the WiiU version... unless I really decide not to buy a Switch.

I realize that this might be a bit ranty and that I might just be losing my interest in gaming, but I'd like to hear where others' thoughts are right now. Some of you have been turning to PC gaming, haven't you? Where are everyone's thoughts at? It feels weird: just a handful of years ago I was quite satisfied with owning the trinity of the Wii, PS3, and X-Box 360.

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My answer is No. I got an Xbox one, got killer instinct, just dance, and life is strange.

The only upside to the xbox one is that it serves as a multimedia device for the living room, and is inexpensive compared to a PC. You can surf the net, play youtube videos, play blu-ray, things like that.

Killer instinct cost me about 40 bucks. It is a fighting game similar to street fighter. I wanted to get good at it, and probably the reason I got the xbox one because of the nostalgia from the super nintendo games RARE made back in the day. To play the game effectively, you needed a arcade stick, and an online subscription. The stick costs $200, and the xbox subscription the regular $60 for some months or something, I forget.

Not worth. As much as I was excited for this game, I didn't like the added gambling mechanics that they're calling the old C-C-COMBO BREAKERS. Plus the character design is from textbook art class, which has no class and taste to it. I did appreciate the fast paceness of it. I didn't really play this game.

Just dance lasted for proabably 2 days. I might come back to it. Oddly, this is the game I would play out of the three I got.

I did not have patience for Life is Strange. I stopped maybe 30 minutes in. Cool time mechanic, but that's it.

I found most of the storytelling titles that I would play is already the PC. So there wasn't much of reason to play it on the xbox. I play my games in my room most of the times too, so that is a big factor in why I think the xbox is useless to me.

The games I would want to get on the Xbox are multiplayer titles, which costs per month. I don't like doing that at all. I don't play games consistantly, usually it is on and off. And if I'm paying per month, that is just stupid. If I play a game for maybe 5 days online, why do I have to pay for the rest of the month?

As far as my gaming interest, I actually still play a lot I think. Some days I don't play, but I usually play to take my mind of things. I would say every other day, 1-3 hours per day probably.

My interest in story games have declined though, because I usually just watch a movie version on youtube, or just read a synopsis. There hasn't been any interesting new games lately. I thought Gravity Rush was really interesting, but it lacked substance. If it had more than just the interesting gravity mechanic, then I would look into it more.

Overall, I'm less excited about games as I get older. Part of it is that I played so many games and don't have the patience. I know the experience, and it's going to be repeated. And something about single player games makes me feel lonely sometimes, so I just watch other people if there was the chance. The best experience I remember were games like pokemon, donkey kong country series, street fighter, killer instinct, mortal kombat, some of those old school racing games. I liked these games because it was imaginative, and there were some role playing aspect to it, and then theres the social aspect of watching others play, others watching you play. As a kid, I was restrained and disciplined in what I can do, and these games were in contrast to a world I really hated. I do feel as an adult, the constraint is different, and the games have become less of an outlet. It's evolved to be less of a couch event. The excitement is gone, there's less curiosity, and I'm not exactly sure what would get me excited.

I have high hopes for VR multiplayer games.

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1 hour ago, Bed said:

Killer instinct cost me about 40 bucks. It is a fighting game similar to street fighter. I wanted to get good at it, and probably the reason I got the xbox one because of the nostalgia from the super nintendo games RARE made back in the day. To play the game effectively, you needed a arcade stick, and an online subscription. The stick costs $200, and the xbox subscription the regular $60 for some months or something, I forget.

I think I remember playing this with you at your place a couple (few?) years back. That was a good afternoon.

1 hour ago, Bed said:

Just dance lasted for proabably 2 days. I might come back to it. Oddly, this is the game I would play out of the three I got.

I played the Wii(?) version of Just Dance (whichever number) with a group of friends a few years back. It seems like it's mostly just enjoyable as a party game. I also wonder what I'd think of it now that I'm working in the dance industry. I had a chance to play DDR recently, and my revised opinion of DDR was that dance experience has a very slight carryover to it. On the other hand, Just Dance was more explicitly dance moves instead of weird feet stuff.

While I don't have a chance to do much couch co-op stuff nowadays, the lack of couch co-op nowadays makes me pretty sad. Getting a group of friends together to play a game is definitely something I miss (lack of controllers, limited cord length, and everything else that went with it). I hope the Switch finds a way to bridge the gap, but I'm a tad worried that it will feel like bringing a (3)DS over to a friend's place.

1 hour ago, Bed said:

I play my games in my room most of the times too

You don't have your X-Box in your room?

1 hour ago, Bed said:

The games I would want to get on the Xbox are multiplayer titles, which costs per month.

Online costs (which will be added to the Switch, albeit at a lower price than Live and PSN) are one of the interesting quirks about console gaming. I'm surprised that this hasn't shifted since the days of the original X-Box. And I agree that it's annoying. My playing habits tend to be the same, where I'll play online for maybe a week or so at most. I never went back to Mass Effect 3's multiplayer once my subscription ran out, even though I loved it. Manguard for life.

1 hour ago, Bed said:

As far as my gaming interest, I actually still play a lot I think. Some days I don't play, but I usually play to take my mind of things. I would say every other day, 1-3 hours per day probably.

. . .

Overall, I'm less excited about games as I get older. Part of it is that I played so many games and don't have the patience.

I find it interesting that you still play so much. And I mean so much more than I do. Other than Simpsons Tapped Out (my guilty mobile pleasure that keeps me away from worse mobile gaming), I often have to force myself to play games. Even though I'm loving Dragon Quest VII, I still have to make a conscious point to turn it on and clock an hour or so every couple of days. Part of it comes to how much time I was wasting on Facebook (which I've been drastically cutting back on in the past week or two), but part of it is just a lack of interest in gaming as opposed to lack of interest in certain games. Most of my game discrimination, avoiding bad games that I would have played when I was younger, comes down to maximizing my time so that the few gaming experiences I have are higher quality.

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"Are modern consoles worth buying?" isn't really the right question, in my opinion.

 

You either can afford to buy it or you can't. If you can't, you might as well just not worry about it.

Something I know I've brought up many years ago was the crisis of not being able to play every game, watch every movie, read every book. 

We have a finite life-span and I think it's important to accept that.  

 

Let's say there are 40-60 good games per console and 10-20 great games per console over it's life span. 

Let's define great as: games that you'd really, really enjoy, appreciate, and remember.

 

As an adult, your focus, if you want to game, should be on the 10-20 great games. And I think it's really important to understand when you are playing something because you don't want to waste the money you spent on it versus. actual enjoyment.

I think the best advice I can give is: if you make more money, you will have less time and more games. You'll only have enough time for the great ones. And that's OK. If you are at a point in life where you can't afford to buy more than one console, you should probably not buy any. It is way more important to have an emergency fund, to have savings, to have money to move for a job, ect.  There are a ton of really good indie games from the last seven or eight years on Steam that you can get cheap during sales. 

 

Look at it from the standpoint of great art. If this game was a book, a movie, a painting, would it be remembered in a decade or is it just a passing trend? Will anyone even remember Battlefield 4 in ten years? I'm sure people will still remember how good Bioshock was. 

We live a short life. Show yourself respect by only playing great games. And not wasting your time and money on the good ones. 

 

 

 

 

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You do not need an arcade stick to play fighting games. A ton of top players use pad. That's just an excuse you use so you don't have to feel bad about being bad. 

 

 

To answer the original question... Are there any games you want? If yes, then quite possibly worth it, if not then no. I had a ps4 on launch which was definitely a mistake, and even now I only really use it for guilty gear and sf4, both available on pc. (albeit with different playerbases)

That said I liked that I could play bloodborne. I love the souls series. If I liked uncharted that'd be a huge deal as well. If I didn't have a gaming pc then a console would definitely be worth it for me.

 

So really the question boils down to do you have a few games you really want to play, if not then no. And it sounds like you don't. 

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10 hours ago, Shattered Rift said:

I hope the Switch finds a way to bridge the gap, but I'm a tad worried that it will feel like bringing a (3)DS over to a friend's place.

I think it will feel like a console if there was a TV or monitor that it can hook up to. The small split screen on such a small screen looks like you have to squint to actually see whats going on. It's good for those simple games that was in the first reveal though, but I don't see those types of games as fun. 

10 hours ago, Shattered Rift said:

You don't have your X-Box in your room?

I use to, now its out in a living room used for a theater set up. 

10 hours ago, Shattered Rift said:

I find it interesting that you still play so much. And I mean so much more than I do.

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Part of it comes to how much time I was wasting on Facebook (which I've been drastically cutting back on in the past week or two), but part of it is just a lack of interest in gaming as opposed to lack of interest in certain games. Most of my game discrimination, avoiding bad games that I would have played when I was younger, comes down to maximizing my time so that the few gaming experiences I have are higher quality.

I think some of the contributing factor that I tend to play is the socializing elements to the games. Some people go out and have a social life and such. I imagine you have a better balance of this. I usually get to meet and talk to people online, still. Thinking about it, it reminds me of how I use to go to chat rooms, neopets, create online content/art when MMOs were non-existent. So it's not really about the game, but maybe the community created by the game? Well, the game is what gets me into the community, and I stay for the community. If I didn't have an interest to socialize online through games, I don't think I would be playing games at all at this point. By socialize, I mean interacting through game mechanics(killing people, etc) and chat / voice chat. These are all components of couch gaming if you think about it.

I am playing Overwatch, and I would say I suck at shooter games in general, and sometimes its not fun getting pummeled and people calling me out for sucking. The interesting thing about this game I found out so far is... not to be sexist or anything, but I observed there is a surprising number of females playing this game. And they're way better than me. I like this. The sad part is that I'm in my upper 20s. I found that a lot of girls are very accurate and specific when it comes to point and shoot. I was invited by a few girls to play Osu when MMOs were a thing and I think a lot of that translates into shooter games. Compared to a game like starcraft, I think it's less about accuracy / puzzle type of thing, and more... of something else, maybe decision making? Though I think girls are probably as good as boys if the culture was balanced, I think there are minor advantages and disadvantages in terms of neurological differences. Anyways, my multiplayer experience came from fighting games, chatrooms, to Korean online games, to MOBAs, and now multiplayer shooter games. I think the next big thing is a virtual world combining all these things. 

4 hours ago, Sinical said:

You do not need an arcade stick to play fighting games. A ton of top players use pad. That's just an excuse you use so you don't have to feel bad about being bad. 

Are you saying top fighting game pro players are using the controllers? I find that unbelievable. Unless when you say "pad" you mean a keyboard device or something.

I've played a ton of combo mashers and this is why controllers are terrible: your thumbs get sore.

Imagine playing guitar hero, with just your thumbs controlling 12 inputs, and your index fingers controlling 2. That's hell. The main reason why an arcade stick pad thing is desirable is because of this. It's ergonomically made for fighting games so that you can utilize most of your fingers and not concentrate on just your thumbs. Overall it improves not just your in game performance but eliminates thumb soreness. I remember full well how I got blisters from playing street fighter alpha 3 on the super Nintendo. It almost got to that point when I was playing on the xbox controller. 

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Pad = standard controller or one modified for fighting games 

Best sf4 player in Europe, who won evo used a damn ps1 pad. 

Best American in the game, snake eyez used a pad. 

Best up and comer and now arguably best sfv player uses a pad. 

Sonicfox, best mortal kombat player and multigame specialist uses a pad. 

There are a bunch of others.

A stick is completely unnecessary, I have one but that's just because I like the feeling of moving my whole arm rather than thumbs and I can customise it to look pretty sweet. 

A stick doesn't magically make you better (the opposite in fact at first) and outside of a few obscure techniques in a few games offers no benefit. Pad has benefit in that the movements are quicker due to less movement needed and it's harder for opponents to hear/see what you're doing. 

All in all, if you want a stick get one, but you're hugely misguided on the effect it's going to have. 

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40 minutes ago, Sinical said:

 

Pad = standard controller or one modified for fighting games 

Best sf4 player in Europe, who won evo used a damn ps1 pad. 

Best American in the game, snake eyez used a pad. 

Best up and comer and now arguably best sfv player uses a pad. 

Sonicfox, best mortal kombat player and multigame specialist uses a pad. 

There are a bunch of others.

A stick is completely unnecessary, I have one but that's just because I like the feeling of moving my whole arm rather than thumbs and I can customise it to look pretty sweet. 

A stick doesn't magically make you better (the opposite in fact at first) and outside of a few obscure techniques in a few games offers no benefit. Pad has benefit in that the movements are quicker due to less movement needed and it's harder for opponents to hear/see what you're doing. 

All in all, if you want a stick get one, but you're hugely misguided on the effect it's going to have. 

I never intended to say that you will automatically get gud once you got the proper controller. It takes practice with whatever controller you choose to use. I tried to elaborate on why I didn't like the console controller - because of thumb soreness and lack of flexibility.

An Arcade stick has buttons, and the setup is similar to what you see in the old school arcades. The stick itself doesn't really add any value, it's just the placement of the buttons and stick with your hand. Even on an xbox controller, you have a small stick. That's just, if not better than the one you see on the arcade. The button spread is what really helps. It's a simple controller compared to an xbox controller, but for some reason it costs an upward of $200. There are cheap ones about $60 as well I suppose.

Depending on the game itself, you may not even be using your controller to the point where you need an arcade stick or pad. Street Fighter is more refined in that it's has short combos and a different tempo. More than half the game, you're not even pressing that many buttons, unless you have an aggressive play style. That's how I played when I was a kid. I spam. 

Killer instinct however, the game I was talking about, has long combos, fast sequencing, high tempo, probably twice or more the input frequency of a street fighter match. 

Although, that's great so many top players have been able to win with a console controller, the PS1 controller win was a surprise. I'm sure that guy really worked hard. I'm not a hard worker, not to that extent. I wonder if he was holding the controller like an arcade? And yeah, modified controllers for fighting games, that's great. Maybe I should be getting that then if they're cheaper. It looks just like an arcade setup, just miniaturized.  

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Yeah, I'd say one of those fightpads would be perfect for you from your description, although I'm not sure it will be much lighter on your thumbs honestly. 

As for your point about game pace, a loooot of guilty gear/blazblue players use pad and they're the most intensive games out there. So idk. I guess I can't say you're wrong that it made your thumb sore, but I can't say I'd ever heard of that problem before. 

 

Anyway I'll stop derailing the thread now. 

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20 hours ago, Red said:

We live a short life. Show yourself respect by only playing great games. And not wasting your time and money on the good ones. 

You're right that my initial question was a poor one. So let's shift it towards this one: how many "great" games emerged in the current generation? The WiiU was certainly lacking. Meanwhile, only a small handful have caught my attention. Witcher III probably deserves to be added to my list of Arkham Knight and Mankind Divided.

16 hours ago, Sinical said:

That said I liked that I could play bloodborne. I love the souls series. If I liked uncharted that'd be a huge deal as well. If I didn't have a gaming pc then a console would definitely be worth it for me.

Along the same lines as my thought above, what all is there in the current generation that's worthwhile? Bloodborne certainly deserves a spot on the general list, but I didn't enjoy the handful of hours I put into Demon's Souls. Uncharted 4 deserves a slot too, but I've only played the first (and haven't gotten around to the second or third) and didn't care all that much.

14 hours ago, Bed said:

The small split screen on such a small screen looks like you have to squint to actually see whats going on.

I've been assuming that the images shown were inaccurate and that each screen will work as its own screen. A split-screen that small is just plain impractical. I would assume this misconception has been cleared up by now, but I haven't heard any word on it.

14 hours ago, Bed said:

I usually get to meet and talk to people online, still. Thinking about it, it reminds me of how I use to go to chat rooms, neopets, create online content/art when MMOs were non-existent. So it's not really about the game, but maybe the community created by the game?

Remind me to PM you about this. Somehow I'd almost forgotten that people could live their lives via screen.

14 hours ago, Bed said:

I observed there is a surprising number of females playing this game. And they're way better than me. I like this. The sad part is that I'm in my upper 20s. I found that a lot of girls are very accurate and specific when it comes to point and shoot. I was invited by a few girls to play Osu when MMOs were a thing and I think a lot of that translates into shooter games. Compared to a game like starcraft, I think it's less about accuracy / puzzle type of thing, and more... of something else, maybe decision making?

That's really interesting.

14 hours ago, Bed said:

I remember full well how I got blisters from playing street fighter alpha 3 on the super Nintendo. It almost got to that point when I was playing on the xbox controller. 

The X-Box controller's pad is pretty garbage. I barely used my old one and it quickly lost correct calibration. Or maybe it started to wear out quickly? Can't remember anymore.

I'm kind of surprised that I never ran into any muscle issues while gaming.

13 hours ago, Sinical said:

A stick doesn't magically make you better (the opposite in fact at first)

I hadn't even thought about this. Then again, the only joystick I own is on the Genesis. Don't even remember where or why I ended up picking it up.

 

To shift the conversation a bit, I suppose I should ask: what games people are enjoying in this generation of gaming?

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I'm only really playing multiplayer games (Street fighter 4/guilty gear/rocket league) these days 

 

Sometimes I'll pick up another game and play it through quickly but that's getting rarer. Dark souls 3 and doom are about the only ones in the last year outside of some indie games (some great stuff there). 

Oh and Titanfall 2, that's pretty sweet. 

I tried playing through mass effect 3..but just couldn't. It got so boring. I have alien isolation downloaded and ready to play but never found the motivation to start. There are some others I can't even remember the names of. 

 

At this point I've played enough games that I either need to be in a very specific mood to start a game, or it needs to be either multiplayer, unique or just something that's outright amazing. Unfortunately, most big studios aren't producing anything amazing or unique. 

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