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  1. Werewolf By Design - Signups

    All right. This game isn't attracting many people. If there is an alternative game that some of you would sign up for, let me know what it would be and I will see if I can design something that would accomodate most people.
  2. Werewolf By Design - Signups

    Ah. I had a typo there. SHould be any EVIL team. The OMT doesn't know who that is (and vice versa), but can win with anyone who is evil under certain circumstances.
  3. Werewolf By Design - Signups

    Correct, Sinical. Not starting for awhile obviously.
  4. Werewolf By Design - Signups

    OBVIOUSLY THE BELOW GAME IS NOT ATTRACTING SIGN UPS. See my most recent post about alternatives to this. Werewolf By Design I want to try something a little different this time. Through your voting in signups you will each help me to design this game. I am going to present some options and I will determine which is used by vote. In the event of a tie among options, I will use a randomizer. I will use all of these options if there are at least 12 players. If the game is smaller than that I will use some of them but not all of them. In that case, it will not be posted when the game starts which options are being used but I will say how many are being used. When you sign up, please vote among these options. If any option is unclear, you may ask before voting. Votes may be changed any time before sign ups closed. To change a vote do so in a new post not by editing your old post. Not sure when the game will start. I would not expect to start it before this weekend. It could be longer depending on how signups go. I expect that day/night will end at 10 PM Central time. Players Signed Up 1. thezodiac 2. Exiled Phoenix 3. Zilary 4. Sinical (Questionnaire to be done) NEED MORE SIGN UPS! Would prefer to have at least 10. 12 is best, could manage it with 8 probably. 1. Private Communication a. None allowed b. Allowed as usual c. Limited 2. Health (HP) and Shields a. Health based game b. Not health based, no shields c. Not health based, percentage based shields for all players. Size of shield can vary between players. Shields will have only 1/2 effectiveness during execution. For example, if a player has a 60% shield. It will function as a 30% shield during execution. Shields can't ever exceed 100%. 3. Resurrection and Conversion a. Resurrection and Conversion will both exist in the game. b. Neither resurrection nor conversion will exist in the game. c. Either resurrection or conversion will exist in the game (which it is will not be announced in advance). 4. Special powers a. All players will have at least 1 special power at the start of the game. b. Special powers will not be handed out at the start of the game, but can be obtained through a store. c. No special powers. 5. On Death a. Role and alignment are disclosed b. Alignment is disclosed, but the role is not revealed. There may be roles/powers that could later reveal the role. c. Neither role nor alignment are disclosed. There may be roles/powers that could later reveal this information. 6. One of These Exists in the Game a. An OMT Who Wins with Any Evil Team (edited to correct typo) b. An Evil Team that Starts the Game not knowing the identity of teammates c. A Neutral 7. Dead Players a. Can post in the graveyard and can’t reveal non-public information. b. Can post in the game thread and can reveal any non-public information known before death. c. Can post in the game thread and can reveal any non-public information known before death. If evil (on a team), can privately communicate with teammates after death. If innocent, neutral or an OMT can pick one player and privately communicate solely with that player after death (but only if 1.a. is not selected). 8. Roles a. An alignment dreamer role exists. There are no plain innocents. b. Plain innocents exist in the game (at least 2). Plain innocents can still have special powers if such powers exist in the game. c. There is no alignment dreamer and no plain innocents.
  5. Werewolf: The Return Signups

    It is I think a philosophical thing whether the evil player should always win if there is a 1-1 situation. Many MCs will make that an auto win for the evil players. I've generally not done it as I let things play out. Yes, if the evil player is guaranteed to win then they should win. But, given my ability if I was the one innocent left at the end of the game I could stalemate an evil player. The choice the MC also makes at the start of the game is whether the game can end in a tie. If you have a tie vote what happens if there is nothing else governing how to break an execution tie. If you don't want the possibility of a tied game then you use a randomizer and have the game end by randomizer. I've done that myself in some games. Granted, it usually leaves a bad taste in the mouth of some people. The other choice is to make it where there is no randomizer used in a 1-1 situation. There is simply no execution and what happens at night determines. In this case I could endlessly prevent Rift from killing me but I couldn't kill. So that would have been a tie. I've also done that as an MC and philosophically I'm OK with that. If the innocent player left is one who can stalemate the game, then so be it.
  6. Werewolf: The Return Signups

    This was an interesting game and I liked it a lot. I think the idea of giving Rift a rez that could only be used on someone not on his team was really good. It gave him an opportunity to clear himself which I think helped when we were down to the day that he and Zilary voted for Blacjak. It was unfortunate Blacjak didn't get on that day to vote but that assume he would have voted for Rift. I have had games end this way on a coin flip. I know for some it feels dissatisfying. I have lately but in a rule that in the event there are less than 3 players alive that there will not be a coin flip on execution. That does lead to the possiblity of a true stalemate as would have happened here. I have had that happen a couple of times. On the balance of the game. I think that without Star's dreaming Zodiac and Rock on the first 2 days this might have been a real problem with a 3 player wolf team. I would probably be more inclined to either make Rift an OMT (with limited kiss or something) or maybe made him an unknown heir. That is the wolves might know there was an heir out there but not known who it was and maybe even let them potentially kill the heir if they attacked him. But, as it turns out it did work out. I think it is hard to do sub-10 player games. I think they do go better if everyone has a role and stuff to do so I like the general approach you had with this game.
  7. Werewolf the Return: Gamer Thread

    Vote: Rift Edit: No, zodiac, I'm not evil. Rift is evil.
  8. Werewolf the Return: Gamer Thread

    Well then. OK scratch that idea. So it is down to Rift and Blacjak. Given my disable of Blacjak I will Vote: Rift
  9. Werewolf the Return: Gamer Thread

    For now I will Vote: Zilary I am most persuaded to do this by the fact that she (and Sinical) are a different color on the role list than Star. I will check back before deadline to see if I want to change this.
  10. Werewolf the Return: Gamer Thread

    Not I, Rift. And I am doubtful it is Blacjak either. (1) Star was mauled. That implies she was killed by a member of the wolf team. But if that was just zodiac and rock then there shouldn't have been a maul. (2) Blacjak (or another OMT) could have a copy cat ability or ability to choose his own method of killing. But, there is a problem with that. I can disable and the first 3 names on my list last night were zodiac, rock and then Blacjak. So if Blacjak is the last evil player then he should have been disabled and there would have been no kill. I guess there could be abilities that interfere with that but the simplest answer is that he was disabled and is not Star's killer. So -- we have 1 of 3 things going on. 3 player wolf team from the get go. I think that is highly unlikely given the game numbers. Wolf heir who inherits when other 2 are dead. Possible given that Star died by mauling. I still question that given the numbers. Third is an OMT who has some ability to grave rob or copy an ability and use it later, etc. So possibilities: 1. Blacjak - Yes, he could be evil and I think it is a reasonable bet. But, I am troubled by the fact of him being who I would have disabled last night absent any interference (and I was not informed of any interference). Still it is possible he had some sort of ability that interfered. The other possibility is that Exiled doesn't put disables first in list processing and goes by time order and Blacjak got in his kill list before mine. I find that doubtful but possible. 2. Rift - I assume you are the rezzer. It would seem odd to give the rezzer role to an OMT although certainly possible. Rezzing an innocent player essentially clears you and could make it worthwhile to use the rez. It would be a bold move to give rez to an evil player in a game of this size. I actually kind of like the idea and if you are an OMT rezzing an innocent would be a good move. But, this is bold enough that I find it difficult to think it is the case. 3. Zilary - Zilary is obviously the vigilante and seemingly died innocent. She is shown in red on the player list just like Sinical. That certainly makes her seem innocent. But, wait! Star is shown on the player list in blue. I would think that if red means innocent then Star would be shown in red. But typically different colors in the player list mean different teams. I think Star is clearly innocent. Exlied said when Star died "Too bad, though it looks like he helped as much as possible before dying.” The point being that this seems to be a clue that Star died innocent. When Zilary and Sinical died there was no indication of alignment. So maybe Zilary and Sinical were on a TMT and the wolf team was another TMT. I am still troubled by the mauling though. And, I am troubled by the idea of 4 evil player (even spread among two teams) and only 3 innocents. Anyway, that is all I know and I'm truly uncertain where to go here. Would appreciate comments from Blacjak, Rift, and Zilary that might shed more light.
  11. Werewolf the Return: Gamer Thread

    Well, obviously, I will trust Star at this point. Honestly, I would still find Blacjak suspicious -- an execution stop is more that for an evil player than an innocent I would think. I found his Bodyguard claim suspicious but the way he now describes it is less so. But, for now, I will go with Star. Vote: thezodiac
  12. Werewolf the Return: Gamer Thread

    I question Blacjak's role claim rather severely. Unvote: Rift Vote: Blacjak
  13. Werewolf the Return: Gamer Thread

    I felt that voting for a player on Day 1 was suboptimal and is therefore a little suspicious. That would leave Blacjak and Rift. Blacjak often does things that make him look evil even when he is not. His not saying much could be suspicious. On the other hand, I've seen him be fairly low key in games he is innocent. It often seems to be more tied to what he has going on outside of the game. In short, he is a little suspicious to me and could well be evil but I am not quite ready to vote for him. The other player to vote for a player was Rift. He seemed to be unhappy there was no analysis but I pointed out that there wasn't anything to really analyze and did pose a question. There was no response from Rift. He seems a bit more suspicious to me. I don't find thezodiac especially suspicious at this point. Vote: Rift
  14. Werewolf the Return: Gamer Thread

    I am happy to discuss but there isn't much to discuss right now. I don't see benefit for innocents in public role claims. We know there are no PIs. With the number of players I expect 2 evil players. I did a 7 player game once with no PIs and 2 evil players but they didn't know the identity of each other starting out. With 8 I would be more likely I think that they know each other. Never played in a game where Exiled Phoenix is MC so don't know his style or what roles he favors or disfavors. Does anyone else know?
  15. Werewolf the Return: Gamer Thread

    For the moment... I'll Vote: Nobody I would be surprised if there was an evil player with a daykill. I think it is possible there is a vigi innocent with a daykill.